It is different fighting for your land, your home, your family... compared to being the invader to a foreign land. The winner will be decided by the great powers, mostly USA. They could probably take half of them over night. Anyway, something is yours to keep, only if you can defend it. I hate the idea of causes, and if I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I should have the guts to betray my country. How does the geography affect a possible conflict? Do both countries have full availability of their assets? Turkey says, no way. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. “The only place where the Turks have done well is the employment of drones. Please let me know your opinions, in some detail if possible. NATO isn't a guarantee of peace. Greece gonna win it as having ALL its army focused on Turkey . Turkish Armed Forces, 846.000. Turkey is a big power in southeastern Mediterranean with 70 m. people and a strong Army. Come on man, don't be naive. The will to fight differs. Greece 19-45 years of age for compulsory military service; during wartime the law allows for recruitment beginning January of the year of inductee's 18th birthday, thus including 17 year olds; 18 years of age for volunteers; conscript service obligation is 1 year for the Army and 9 months for the Air Force and Navy; women are eligible for voluntary military service. Greece does not have the power projection capability to occupy significant pieces of Turkish territory.”. He said Erdogan, for all his bluster about coveting the return of Greek islands ceded in the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne that set borders, will likely stick with his strategy of opening the borders in hopes of trying to flood Greece with more refugees and migrants. What is the outcome? Greece vs. Turkey Conflict: ... with Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis telling Trump at the White House that Greece would win. I believe Turkey will win the war of attrition (at least on paper), both are evenly matched in quality in relation to equipment, in terms of training im not to sure. Greece has only 12 million people but its far richer than Turkey (Turkish Gdp per ca pita = 15.000 us dollars and Greek = 32.000). Full mobilization. But Russia would surrender and retreat. Still though, it would be impossible I think to defend the less popular island like Kos. He added “The forces of peace and fairness may not be loud but they are vigilant; they may not provoke but they know how to react.”, The historical archive of the National Herald, Greek Artist Created a Snow Sculpture of Poseidon in Astoria Park, Archdiocesan Cathedral Choir Presents First Ever Virtual Christmas Concert, Dr. Jane Goodall’s Message of Support to Animal Welfare Karpathos & Island’s Mayor. Neither has an aircraft carrier but share the Aegean and East Mediterranean, with Turkey disputing Greek waters and making a deal with Libya to divide the seas between them, Turkey planning to drill for energy off Crete. This means new ships, new planes, new artillery, etc etc... billions that we don't have but will have to find in the near future. Turkey has 3,763. Greek Armed Forces (stage 3 of draft), 495.000. The Greeks recognize the threat and have devoted considerable resources to dealing with it,” he said. Tensions between Greece and Turkey have recently reached a decade-long-high after Ankara began the exploration … Does the PKK magically disappear, releasing all the forces in eastern Turkey for operations? A very good point. Patrick Theros, former U.S. It would be a long fierce and aggressive battle and a war with very heavy casualties for both. I wouldn't call it though a victory. Am I talking rubbish? “Turkey is still mostly using the 2A4 tank, whilst other NATO armies are using the more modern version with better armored protection and optics, which explains in part why Turkish tanks are performing so badly against an inferior opponent,” he said. (Photo by Eurokinissi/ Dimitris Papamitsos). Then there's the daunting Greek Navy. Turkey has 36. Despite the fact that Greece's armed forces, like all of society, took budget cuts during a near decade-long economic and austerity crisis the country is only now pulling out of – before the unknown effects of the coronavirus, it wouldn't be one-sided, with Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis telling Trump at the White House that Greece would win. A war almost happened between Greece and Turkey in 1996! He said the Turkish military still hasn't recovered from the Erdogan purge and that senior officers have been replaced with younger officers in an army “that does not encourage free-thinking,” based on what American officers who took part in exercises with Turkish forces said. Same will happen to Cyprus also. A 'hybrid' war like the one we are witnessing now with the use of immigration and propaganda is more likely to continue,” he said. Arnold J. Toynbee argues: "The war between Turkey and Greece which burst out at this time was a defensive war for safeguarding of the Turkish homelands in Anatolia. Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων intensifies!Who's gonna be Emperor though? He said Turkey's advantage lies in vast manpower and reserves but that would take time to mobilize and the edge would be lost in a quick war or if NATO or the United States intervened to stop it before the conflict became too damaging. This isn’t 100 years ago and war is now more sophisticated, electronic and swifter, with Greece and Turkey adjoining countries, further eclipsing the problems of moving people and equipment. This could be decisive, but Turkey could quite easilly take and hold a few islands I think. [Phœnix - Φοῖνιξ, we don't really know; could be from the Greek adjective φοινός "blood-red", or an Egyptian or Phoenician loan], I think Greece hasn't exactly hot any state-of-the-art equipment, but I'm not sure at all, I know very, very few things about military, If Greece is the aggressor then Turkey wins and if Turkey is the aggressor then Greece wins.However nobody really wins in modern war.If you ask about which country is militarily superior then it's turkey in land and air but naval wise the greek ships are better than their counterparts and better manned however turkey has more resources than greece to supply her armies. But, said Theros, that's only if you “define winning as inflicting unacceptable casualties on Turkish forces and carrying the battle into Turkish territory. ATHENS – No one wants it and most doubt it could happen but what would happen after a Turkish or Greek fighter pilot or Naval captain got an itchy trigger finger or an accidental conflict broke out over the seas, the skies or Turkey sending thousands of refugees and migrants to the Greek border and pushing provocations? Well Nato very possibly wouldn't get involved and Russia may not get involved for fear of invoking a Nato response. Conflict Turkey and allies Opponents Results Turkish losses Military Civilian; War of Independence (1919–1923) Ankara Government Greece France Armenia … Estimated casualties : Turkey, 120.000 - Greece, 76.000. “Greece has a defensive posture in its armed forces. Although this scenario is unlikely, and is more likely to take place through a proxy war, should Russia invade Turkey, who would win? No other countries get involved. Is it only Greece vs Turkey with no third countries playing a part at all? Greece has 159,000 armed forces personnel. Greece also has a relatively strong army. US Navy bombards Turkish and Greek positions to make both armies retreat. They (Turkey) might have a superiority in numbers (after all, they are a larger country), but numbers alone cannot define a military outcome unless there is a great imbalance to the power game. War Between Greece and Turkey Is Now a Real Possibility. Greece is a relatively small country with a population of 11.5 million, while turkey has over 70 million. At least till now, this is not the case. Is Turkish military stronger than Greek one? That's the basic rule that this world goes by. Russian Military is 3x bigger but Turkey can get its 500,000 troops to 10 million in a matter of weeks. Turkey only lost the war the Soviet Union an that was because all of the Turkish troops died of hypothermia or else the Russians were in deep trouble. Is it an all out war or a limited conflict? “NATO and the EU cannot stand and witness the mutual destruction of two long-standing members. Day 20. Greece has 1,244 tanks. Erdogan-loyal newspapers in Turkey have worked out war scenarios with what weapon they will attack Greece. There has never been any love lost between Turkey and Greece, but the danger of war … The divide between Turkey and Greece is too great and to much hatred for there to be any kind of permanent settlement of the Cyprus issue(and islands issues). Turkey vs France, United States, Soviet Union, Great Britain, Greece, Austria, Australia, China, and dozens of African countries that were colonized by the French and British. “All the Greek Navy is geared against Turkey, whilst Turkey has to retain sizeable forces in the Black Sea and East Mediterranean sea theaters,” he said, with Turkish ships having to cross the Dardanelles Straits or Karpathos Straits which can be easily mined by Greek forces. On 1v1 we (Greece) would lose. Greece has 308 fighter jets and other planes, including 150 F-16’s according to Nation Master and Armed Forces.Eu. Is NATO, the US or Russia going to interfere at any point? Mitsotakis said Turkey is also underestimating Greece's resolve and mistaking his softer approach, preferring diplomacy. But who would win a war between them. They will step in to minimize or stop the war,” he said. Yes Turkey have more firepower, but they couldn't deploy it as well. Turkey would win air, land and sea battles. 11 Aegean Islands such as Skyros, Limnos, and Samothraki he said are technically unsinkable aircraft bases like carriers with anti-aircraft systems, anti-ship missiles, soldiers, and air squadrons.”. Turkey bought Russian-made S-400 missile defense systems – from an enemy of NATO – but he said those are not yet operational and that purchase kept Turkey from being able to buy US F-35 fighter jets that are far superior to the F-16s. Greece has 39 attack helicopters. They would also give people more of a personal belonging to the nation and it's well being, you don't see that in a lot of Greeks these days. “There are a lot problems with tactical doctrine and tactical employment in Turkish units,” he said, and the Turkish Armed Forces bought cheaper models for a lot of equipment, including tanks, that could limit their effectiveness. So the real war would be in Eastern Thrace, where they have a numerical advantage for sure. Obviously the government is terrified of organised and armed civilians though, because they could revolt more ea silly against the mainland government. On the other hand Turks are forced to keep big percentages of the Turkish army in Kurdish areas of SE Turkey , also in borders with Iraq due to PKK issue , and also in borders with Syria ( or IN Syria ) due to the Syrian war which they are already deep involved. Greeces military is smaller, but more modern. Everything else is irrelevant. A FIREBRAND Turkish politician and ally of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has warned war with Greece is now "just a matter of time.". No doubt that Cyprus will one day be inflamed in war. Who would win in a fair standoff between the two rival nations? So what would happen if a conflict, accidental or otherwise, did break out? It will be though if we don't start investing in defence. Don't forget that the countries are NATO allies and a war wouldn't really be possible as a deal would be brokered between them in case of a dispute. They risk being entrapped in myriads of islands from where they will be bombarded from all sides,” he said. However there's no scenario where Greece would be involved in a war and not have allies, or where Turkey would invade Greece and not have multiple fronts to deal with simultaneously. Turkey has 13. Russia has had had a lot of sanctions on them by the EU, and their economy is shrinking. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, /r/KKE | 100 ΧΡΟΝΙΑ ΚΟΜΜΟΥΝΙΣΤΙΚΟ ΚΟΜΜΑ ΕΛΛΑΔΟΣ. Russia would mass produce planes and tanks. ... a serious disadvantage in the heat of combat and the fog of war. On paper, it’s no match. But Greek fighter pilots are skilled, ranked the best in the world – one won the Top Gun honors – by NATO, the defense alliance to which both countries belong and which has refused to intervene. Turkey has 465. Cyprus is … Organised militias would be more useful than random armed civilians, and could also be utilised for other emergencies: Wildfires, Refugee Management etc. Greece—backed by the EU, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates—says the numerous islands it possesses in the area gives it sovereignty over the disputed waters. Turkey and Serbia. I would hope Greece would win of course. “The Aegean Theater is in theory a deadly trap for massive offensive Turkish moves. My understanding is the Turkish military is MUCH larger, however a lot of their equipment is WW2 Era stuff. Ambassador to Qatar and former political advisor to the Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Central Command, told The National Herald (he is a columnist for the paper) that Mitsotakis is correct in saying Greece would win. For some idiotic reason, let us assume the war goes on. “Too many of the new senior officers owe their promotion to their religious and political as well as their professional skills,” he said, a serious disadvantage in the heat of combat and the fog of war. Turkey vs Greece: War would 'set whole region in flames' - terrifying warning ANY confrontation between Turkey and Greece in the eastern Mediterranean could … is this constantinos leandros 2nd account? read more I agree on your measures. “Our calm stance toward these aggressive transgressions from the East should not be misunderstood or underestimated,” he said, Kathimerini reported. It has come to relevance since Russia accused Turkey of assisting ISIS, followed by Turkey shooting down a Russian Jet. It depends on the navy I guess. Casualties would be devastating for both sides. It's a bit irrelevant to ignore any and all alliances and geopolitical setting when discussing this, because if things were different well...things would be different. FILE- Greek PM Kyriakos Mitsotakis meets with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in London. It was a result of the Allied policy of imperialism operating in a foreign state, the military resources and powers of which were seriously under-estimated; it was provoked by the unwarranted invasion of a Greek army of occupation." Turkey has a much larger navy than Israel, but if it came to a full scale war (and in the absence of US intervention on Israel's behalf, or a nuclear exchange,) the outcome would be anyone's guess. Actually we have a pretty good chance of defending what is ours. It will spark a full blown war for sure. I'm not sure if they could take and hold many islands. He announced the Greek Minister of Defense is ready to do anything to protect its sovereign rights, including military action against Ankara. Maybe no one knows. Could Greece win? Turkey has 610,000. If they attack any island I am pretty sure our mechanized units will move deep into eastern thrace. Missiles installed at the country’s west coast with range of 280 km could strike not only the Greek islands but also capital Athens. “In case the war drags on Turkey will increase its numerical strength and create major issues for Greek defense strategy,” which would have trouble reaching the Turkish capital Ankara with missiles. Or do you think that could be achieved too? Greece being a smaller country with a feeble economy cannot stand a prolonged war,” Ioannis Michaletos, an associate of the Institute for Defense & Security Analysis and the Mediterranean Center For Strategic Analysis and Intelligence in Athens told The National Herald. One more thing that people disregard easily is the moral high ground and its effect on both sides. It can defend…its territory as long as the 'war' does not drag on for a long time. Greece in 2019 renewed a military cooperation deal with the United States and the U.S. Navy has a base at Souda Bay on Crete but President Donald Trump is cozy with Erdogan, whom he calls a friend and a “hell of a leader.” “Greece has a defensive posture in its armed forces. If Greece is the aggressor then Turkey wins and if Turkey is the aggressor then Greece wins.However nobody really wins in modern war.If you ask about which country is militarily superior then it's turkey in land and air but naval wise the greek ships are better than their counterparts and better manned however turkey has more resources than greece to supply her armies. No Αυτοκράτωρ Κυριάκος pls. How would Cyprus fare during all that? They are ahead of the Greeks – who used to be more advanced – in this weapon. Greece has 11 submarines. and Ikaria residents by setting fire to all the marijuana fields and everybody will mellow out and chill. “A conventional war is unlikely. Let's say that Turkey tries to take the islands and this sparks into full blown war. When Turkish jets regularly violate Greek airspace, Greek pilots engage them in mock dogfights, the Turkish skill level said to have been decimated when Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan purged the military after a failed 2016 coup attempt against him.